Jason Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Is it hard to fall off a cruise ship? By BETH J. HARPAZ NEW YORK - How hard is it to fall off a cruise ship? "It is so hard to fall overboard that when someone does go over the side, it's either because, sadly, it's a suicide attempt or it's because they're being incredibly foolish," said Carolyn Spencer Brown, editor of an online cruising website. Yet three people have gone overboard cruise ships in the past two weeks. Michael Mankamyer, 35, went over a Carnival Glory ship off Florida's coast on March 16 and was rescued eight hours later. He said he had been drinking and that "alcohol took over with my medication." Last weekend, a 22-year-old man and a 20-year-old woman went overboard the Grand Princess. They were found four hours later 150 miles off Galveston, Texas. Neither was seriously injured, and they asked the cruise line to keep their names and the circumstances that led to the fall private. "I can only think that it's near spring break time," said Douglas Ward, author of the annual "Berlitz Complete Guide to Cruising and Cruise Ships." "I suspect that drink is usually involved in these kinds of occurrences." Douglas Stallings, editor of "Fodor's Complete Guide to Caribbean Cruises" and "Fodor's Caribbean Ports of Call," pointed out that "you never hear of a child falling off a balcony. That's because the balcony dividers are quite high. Many of these incidents involve the excessive use of alcohol." According to the Cruise Lines International Association, cruise ship railings are required to measure 39.5 inches high (one meter), and while cruise lines determine their own alcohol policies, the drinking age on most North American itineraries is 21. But what should you do if you witness a "man overboard"? "Alert the crew immediately," said Julie Benson, a spokeswoman for Princess. If you don't see a crew member nearby, find a house phone and call the emergency operator. "And if you do happen to be in the vicinity of a railing where there are life rings, toss one of the life rings into the water." All cruise passengers are required to attend what are called "muster drills," where safety procedures are described. Some cruise ships even take attendance at the drills to make sure everyone knows the rules. In the incident Sunday involving the Princess ship, the captain retraced the ship's path, then turned off the engines and air-conditioning and asked passengers to stay in their cabins and make as little noise as possible. When someone is in the water, you will most often hear them before you see them," Benson said. "A lot of passengers and crew did hear their calls in the pitch black." Search lights found them in the water and the ship made its next port of call, Costa Maya, Mexico, just three hours late. "They did an outstanding job," said Ward. "I really applaud their efforts." But he added that any rescue operation like this "puts a very big strain on the rest of the passengers. If I were the cruise lines, I would actually charge for search and rescue." According to CLIA, 12 million people a year take cruises, and "in 2006, cruise lines provided Congress with data that showed that less than one per one million cruise passengers went missing over a three-year period." Critics of the industry, including an organization called International Cruise Victims, allege that some passengers vanish as the result of foul play and they blame cruise lines for failing to thoroughly investigate. Son Michael Pham of Seattle, vice president of International Cruise Victims, sent his elderly parents on a cruise from Puerto Rico and they were never seen again. In another high-profile case, George Smith IV of Greenwich, Ct., vanished on his honeymoon on a Mediterranean cruise. On Tuesday, a Congressional hearing in Washington held by the House Transportation maritime subcommittee described current record-keeping on cruise ship crime as spotty. Cruise ship operators announced at the hearing a voluntary new agreement with the FBI and the Coast Guard to improve and standardize crime reporting. Several lawmakers suggested, however, that the crime-data reporting needs to be mandatory, not voluntary. Stallings said that despite the publicity over these isolated incidents, "I honestly think cruise ships are considerably safer than any other place you're likely to vacation." But Spencer Brown said passengers still "need to take the same precautions they take in a resort or at home. And they need to take responsibility for their own behavior." A day after the latest rescue, an online cruise website asked readers, "Is it possible to accidentally fall overboard? Sixty percent of the 2,200 people who responded to the unscientific online survey said, "Yes, if you're drunk and stupid." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIROCCO Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Thanks Jason that sums it up and what I was trying to say Diplomatically without offending anyone! on the posting about them falling overboard! Thanks for saving me Sir Jason as usual hopefully everyone understands where Im coming from! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebert Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Jason, Thanks for the interesting article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketwatch Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Scirocco: You're coming from Texas, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikesgirl Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Jason - Thanks for putting into words what so many of us are wondering. just a follow-up on the Princess couple. The girl was very drunk (also a life guard) who fell overboard from the 9th deck (still not sure what she was doing) and the guy jumped in to save her. Thanksfully the story ended well, but Princess hasn't been quick to make much of a fuss over this. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebert Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Spikesgirl, Thanks for shedding a little more light on the subject. I understand that the guy would have been more helpful if he threw a lifesaver ring in the water or summoned for help right away. Sometimes it's hard to think clearly in an emergency such as someone going overboard. Perhaps the cruiseline should add instructions regarding what a bystander should do in case they witness someone going overboard and show passengers where the lifesaving rings are on the ship and tell passengers that taking pictures with flash may interfere with lifesaving equipment, such as night vision glasses that the Coast Guards use to see in the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottaCruz Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Very interesting article. I think passengers need to use common sense on sea as on land. On land, if you drink, don't drive. If on the sea, if you drink, stay away from the railings and balconies. It's really very simple. Then again, some don't have common sense, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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